Listen to the below podcast of the April 10, 2016 The Lisa Benson Show with our guest, Dr. Sebastian Gorka, noted counterterrorism expert and author of Defeating Jihad: The Winnable War. See our review, “Freedom is Precious and Fragile”, in the April edition of the New English Review currently serves as the Major General Matthew C. Horner Distinguished Chair of Military Theory at Marine Corps University. He is a much sought after guest on Fox News, BBC, CNN, Sky News.
Dr. Gorka was interviewed in by host Lisa Benson, co-host Jerry Gordon and Member of the Advisory Council Richard Cutting. Gorka’s incisive responses to questions from the panel and callers presented key elements of his thesis that the war against Global Jihad is winnable. His template for achieving this was the US doctrine and road map adopted at the start of the Cold War that led to the defeat of Soviet Communism with the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989 without firing a bullet.
Gorka was motivated to write this book in part by his heroic parents experience as refugees from the 1956 Hungarian Revolt who found freedom in the West. The other motivation was to portray the hybrid religious based tyranny of Global Jihadism. In the course of the discussion he identified the grand masters who implemented the Islamic doctrine of Global Jihadism that spawned the competition between Al Qaeda and the monster it spawned, the Islamic State. He dismisses the false and opaque arguments of the Bush and Obama Administration that Islamic terror is perpetrated by so-called “lone wolves” and the priority should be given to “countering violent extremism.” The latter ironically has involved the Administration reaching out to Muslim Brotherhood and radical Islamic clerics perpetrating the same Global Jihad doctrinal messaging we should be defeating. One of the Cold War templates he referred to in the discussion was the “long telegram” drafted by US Diplomat George Kennan in Moscow in 1946. That led President Truman to announce the ‘containment’ policy before a joint Session of Congress in 1947. The companion document he mentioned is NSC-68, authored by Paul Nitze of the State Department Planning Staff in 1950 that providing a road map to victory in the Cold War
Gorka identified in the discussion four grand masters of Global Jihad. They were Osama bin Laden’s real boss who created Al Qaeda, Jordanian Abdullah Yusuf Azzam, Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood ideologue, Sayyid Qutb, author of Milestones, Pakistani Gen. S.K. Malik, author of The Qur’anic War that espoused terror tactics implemented by Al Qaeda’s bin Laden successor Ayman Al -Zawahiri and American Yemeni, Anwar al-Awlaki, the so-called “bin Laden of the Internet”. When queried about what was it that the caused ISIS to attract more that 76,000 supporters from100 countries, 6,000 from the west including returning fighters who perpetrated the November 2015 Paris Massacres and March 2016 Brussels, he pointed out the end times significance of the eschatology of the self-declared Caliphate, the Islamic State. The term Al-Shaam in ISIS refers the mythic venue of the final war against the infidel Christian Jews and others, Syria and Iraq. The genius of Islamic State Caliph Abu Bakr al Baghdadi was he declared the Caliphate after conquering swaths of Syria and Iraq , the Shaam site of the final war vanquishing the armies of world’s infidels.. When asked about the significance of ISIS’ use of chemical, biological and so-called dirty bomb and drones for delivery, Dr. Gorka said we didn’t have to get too sophisticated about creating panic from Jihadi terrorist threats. He pointed out the Washington sniper case with his son as a spotter had wreaked havoc in the metro area shooting victims on the beltway and in service stations. People were fearful of filling up their cars at gasoline stations unless there were under a tarpaulin. The message Gorka conveyed was it doesn’t cost much for members of Global Jihad networks here in the US to unleash terror in a major urban areas.
Besides appendices containing the Cold War template documents, Kennan’s “Long Telegram” and Nitze’s NSC-68 “roadmap”, Gorka also mentioned he included in a separate appendix a list of readings and a valued guide to better inform citizens so they might challenge Presidential nominees, US Senators and Members of Congress on the issue of winning the 15 year long war against Global Jihadism.
To emphasize the importance of that goal he cited a question from a Department of Homeland Security employee at a recent briefing he gave who contested that the real threat were the KKK, some Militia group in Montana, noting the bombing of a federal office building by Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma City in 1995. As tragic as the example cited by the DHS employee was, Gorka asked the person wasn’t there something more contemporary than unfortunately one that occurred 21 years ago? The inference was that more Americans were killed in 9/11, Little Rock, Fort Hood, Chattanooga and at a Christmas Party in San Bernardino by members of Al Qaeda and US members of the ISIS Global Jihad network. The Pentagon, FBI and DHS at the behest of the Administration have redacting words like Islam and Jihad from training material preventing national counterterrorism and counterintelligence echelons from naming the religious hybrid tyranny of Global Jihad as the real threat.
Dr. Gorka’s message to win the war against Global Jihad is laid out in a compact 44,000 words in Defeating Jihad. There is the option of listening to a week’s worth of audio tapes of the book during commute to work time. However, you can start by listening to this highly informative podcast from The Lisa Benson Show sharing it with friends and groups.
Our usually astute Europeam listener commented:
An excellent show and Dr. Gorka knows his subject profoundly. The way he explains the massive danger facing the free world needs to be distributed everywhere.The main problem that I find is that the free peoples of the world are still sleeping. They prefer to push the danger they are facing into their sub-conscious instead of demanding massively from their elected politicians to fight Global Jihad. Are these populations waiting for the day that Global Jihad will decide to use dirty bombs to assassinate very large numbers of civilians? Regretfully I think that the awakening will come only after a huge shock which is a dreadful feeling for me.
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EDITORS NOTE: This podcast and column originally appeared in the New English Review.